this saddle has some damage. The cinch on this saddle was ripped off by a previous owner. said a horse went into a bronco and it came off. the leather on it got ripped in one spot and i removed the screws from inside the saddle where the cinch was. i also cut off the piece that ripped.this would only make the cinch an inch or two shorter when put back on. you could pay someone t do it or do it yourself. i got it without stirrups and am selling without stirrups. is in otherwise excellent condition. the tree is very hard and solid and the leather is all thick and oiled. this saddle has tooling. there is one scratch on the cantle of the saddle but it is minor and does not effect the performance of this saddle. the seat is suede and is cushioned. was bought for 900 marked down for the damage and use. i have too many pleasure saddles and am in no need of this one. i will trade this saddle for dressage tack.