You can't go wrong with a Circle Y! And a steal of a deal at $500. 16" roughed out seat. I believe it would be considered a semi-quarter tree. Beautiful classic oak leave tooling and silver conchos. I simple don't ride western anymore, and this great saddle is just sitting here. It's been stored indoors and is well taken care of--only normal signs of wear (seat etc)--check pics. If you have any additional questions, please email me. StormyGSK1@aol.com.