I have used this saddle for team penning and trail it holds you in well and does not dig at the lower back doing it. It is very comfortable and well made. This saddle is a Circle R saddle and I can not tell the difference in quality from a Circle Y. It is that sturdy and beautiful. Dark oil not black in color. It has a lot of beautiful real silver not that thin stuff that eventually turns black and bends. I no longer have the horse for this saddle. I am asking a very reasonable price for it considering it's value. I will agree to a 24 hour grace period of fit. If you want a 24 hour grace period for checking fit that is fine as long as a phone call to let me know it doesn't fit 'within 24 hours and it is returned within 48 hours. This will have a written agreement for both of us. And it must be paid in full with cash before taking off the property. Call at 586-746-6796 or e-mail Pick up only.