I bought this saddle as a back up for when company came over to ride, in case they wanted to ride English. we now have very wide friesians so i can't even use it on my horses. this is a med tree and has an average deep seat it measures the same as another saddle that i just got that is a 16.5 saddle has knee rolls. the billets show some wear but as you can see the saddle as a whole is in good condition. For an additional $35 I have a set of matching leathers, irons and a size 48 black girth with elastic at one end.