Better than new just broken in! This is an incredibly hard to find flap!! Perfect for a taller rider, this flap was made by Luc Childeric for women that are long from hip to knee! I'm 5'7 and it fits me perfectly!! Flap measures 14" from top of stirrup bar to base of flap and 14" at its widest point across. Calf skin seat/ knee and grain flap. The Model M with its English tree, is by far my favorite, fits a wide variety of horses. Measures 4.25" dot to dot. Saddle comes with original Luc Childeric Cover. I actually owned two of these exact same saddles and I'm sad to see this one go, but I've retired the horse I bought it for.:( My loss is your gain! ****Price is firm, buyer to pay shipping and 3% paypal fee. Though I will accept a cashiers check.