17" comfy Ortho Flex stitch down express lite endurance trail saddle. One of the most comfortable seats Ortho Flex ever came up with! Everyone who sits in this saddle goes OOOH NICE! There are like 13 tie rings! For a MOOSE of a horse!! FITS A TANK--I am serious too! Wide horse 8-9" + gullet. Seat fits a gal size 16 ish in size. 17" measurement is sized as English. Its a 16" western measure..FYI.. Has brand new set of booties $240 value. Bio thane leathers with cam locks, Stirrups leather covered. laced on the sides are Ortho Flex with cushion pads. Price is $1050-U pay shipping and feees. CALL LeeAnn at 360-913 3696 thanks