Here is a very nice 16" Circle M roping saddle made by V H Saddlery in Ider Al. this is a well made saddle with good thick leather good stirrup leather and belvins buckels. this is not a cheap piece of junk. the saddle is in excellent condition and rode twice for a few minutes. so it is like new. It is a 16" and the tree is tight and fleece is great. the saddle has some tooling and black cloth seat. the keeper says " V H Saddlery Circle M Idler AL. USA. then has 3013 16" It has big roping stirrups and a 7" gullet with FQHB. the saddle has not been used much so like new. asking $450.00 contact Howie